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|  Posté le 26-04-2007 à 20:10:58   
| Interesting challenge which 'forced' me to compile the following
(almost) complete allocation list for Sd.Kfz. 233
Sources used:
- Gen.Insp.d.Pz.Tr. allocation list for Pz.Späh-Wagen May 1943 to April 1945*
- monthly status reports of major armored units to Gen.Insp.d.Pz.Tr. June/July 1943 to Feb./March 1945
- Files of OKH/GenStdH/Org.Abt. and Chef H Rüst u BdE covering fromation, organisation, refit etc. of Pz.Truppen
- T. Jentz, Panzer Tracts 13
[*Note: These allocation files start only in May 1943 and for the most part distinguish only between "le.Pz.Späh-Wg." and "s.Pz.Späh-Wg.". So they are of limited help only. Remarks about exact variants of vehicles are rare, but when found exact shpment dates are shown below.]
1. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 1) = 6 shipped 2. Jun. 1943
2. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 2) = 6 arrived sometime before May 1943
3. Pz.Div.: no (T)eil(E)inheit. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
4. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 4) = 6 shipped 9. Sep. 1943
5. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
6. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 6) = 6 arrived sometime before May 1943
7. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 7) = 6 arrived sometime before May 1943
8. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
9. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 9) = 6 arrived sometime before May 1943
10. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found
11. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised in 1942/43, May 1944 1 Sd.Kfz. 233 taken over from 273. Res.Pz.Div. and used with Stabskp./Pz.A.A. 11
12. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
13. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 13) reported presence of 3 Sd.Kfz. 233 for the first time in status report 1.6.1944 = 3, no matching shipment found. 'Hidden' under s.Pz.Sp.Wg. in earlier reports or taken over from other unit?
14. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 14) = 6 shipped 21. Aug. 1943
15. Pz.Div.: T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) with 6 Sd.Kfz. 233 authorised for 1./Pz.A.A. 33 on 16.6.1942. Could not establish if vehicles were actually delivered.
16. Pz.Div. (2./Pz.A.A. 16) = 6 arrived before May 1943
17. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
18. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
19. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
20. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
21. Pz.Div. (Afrika): : T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) with 6 Sd.Kfz. 233 authorised for 1./Pz.A.A. 3 on 16.6.1942. Could not establish if vehicles were actually delivered.
21. Pz.Div. (Ob. West) (2./Pz.A.A. 21) = 6 shipped on 17. Aug. 1943 (originally to Pz.A.Lehr-Abt. which was renamed to Pz.A.A. 21 in Sep. 1943)
22. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found
23. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 23) = 6 possibly shipped on 25. Okt. 1943 (date likely for several reasons but yet unconfirmed)
24. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
25. Pz.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 25) = 6 shipped on 6. Sep. 1943
26. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
27. Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found
116. Pz.Div.: no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports (1 could have come from 179. Res.Pz.Div. in May 1944 but it doesn't show up in status reports)
155. Res.Pz.Div.: no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports
179. Res.Pz.Div. (1./Res.Pz.A.A. 1) = 1 arrived sometime before Dec. 1943, unknown if incorporated into Pz.A.A. 116 in May 1944
233. Res.Pz.Div.: no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports
273. Res.Pz.Div. (1./Res.Pz.A.A. 7) = 1 arrived sometime before Dec. 1943, May 1944 incorporated into Stabskp./Pz.A.A. 11 (11. Pz.Div.)
Pz.Lehr-Div.: no Sd.Kfz. 233 authorised nor delivered or reported
Fsch.Pz.Div. HG Pz.A.A. HG: although a T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) was authorised in 1943, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
3. Pz.Gren.Div. (1./Pz.A.A. 103) = 6 shipped on 15.11. or 15.12.1943
10. Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
15. Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
16. Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
18. Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
20. Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
25. Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
29. Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
(60.) Pz.Gren.Div. FHH (1./Pz.A.A. FHH) = 6 shipped on 13. Sep. 1943
90. Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
Pz.Gren.Div. GD (1. or 2./Pz.A.A. GD) = 6 arrived sometime before May 1943
Pz.Verband 700 (Pz.Späh-Kp. 700): T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) with 6 Sd.Kfz. 233 authorised for Pz.Sp.Kp. 700 on 16.10.1942. Could not establish if vehicles were actually delivered.
90. Lei.Afrika-Div.: T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) with 6 Sd.Kfz. 233 authorised for 1./Pz.A.A. 580 on 3.10.1942. Could not establish if vehicles were actually delivered.
164. Lei.Afrika-Div.: 1./Pz.A.A. 220 = 6 arrived in 6 Africa on 27. Nov. 1942 (Kp. used to form Pz.A.A. 190 (Heerestruppe for Pz.A.O.K. 5) in March/April 1943)
Aufkl.Kp. 'T' = 12 arrived in Africa on 16. Nov. 1942 (No further information about this unit available. Where did it belong to? Were these vehicles then possibly distributed among other units in Africa like 15., 21. Pz.Div. and/or 90. lei.Div.???)
Sturm-Div. Rhodos (1./Pz.A.A. Rhodos) = 6 (originally 1./Pz.A.A. 999 and intended for Afrika-Div. 999, shipped before May 1943)
1. SS-Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
2. SS-Pz.Div. (1./SS-Pz.A.A. 2) = at least 2 arrived sometime before May 1943
3. SS-Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
4. SS-Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
5. SS-Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
9. SS-Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
10. SS-Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports after summer 1943
11. SS-Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports
12. SS-Pz.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports
16. SS-Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports
17. SS-Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports
18. SS-Pz.Gren.Div.: no T.E. s.Pz.Späh-Zug (7,5 cm) authorised, no evidence for delivery or presence of Sd.Kfz. 233 found in available status reports
Ersatzheer = 1 shipped on 16. Sep. 1943
All told I counted 116 more or less confirmed allocations of Sd.Kfz. 233. That means at least 2 of the not included possible deliveries of (6) each to 15., 21. Pz.Div., 90. lei.Div. in Africa and Pz.Verband 700 can't have happened since only 129 Sd.Kfz. 233 were build!
I think it is likely that the 2. SS-Pz.Div. also received not only 2 but a full platoon of 6 Sd.Kfz., but since I have no evidence I counted only the 2 I could establish for sure.
I also could not find out if there were more Sd.Kfz. 233 among the 10 s.Pz.Sp.Wg. shipped to the replacement army between May and Oct 1943 other than the 1 already listed above.
So I can't claim the above list to be complete and 100% accurate, but as a start not bad don't you think ?
Additions and corrections always welcome!
Martin Block
Last edited by MArtin Block on 26 Apr 2007 17:14; edited 1 time in total
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| | Lionel | | Tracks leader |  | | 2060 messages postés |
| Posté le 27-04-2007 à 07:46:32
| Merci pour la copie.. C'est toujours intéressant ce genre de liste pour ne pas faire de c... dans les unités..
A+
Lionel
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| | Laurent | | Faire petit et le faire bien ! | | Tracks leader |  | | 11249 messages postés |
| Posté le 01-05-2007 à 13:26:26 
| Voui, entièrement d'accord.
En plus c'est tiré des sources primairres apparement donc si il y a une counnerie c'est pas d'notre fôte. 
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Laurent
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j'parle pas aux cons, ça les instruit !
les cons ça ose tout, c'est à ça qu'on les r'connait !
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| | jpmad2 | | veni, vidi,...ESCI | | Tracks leader |  | | 295 messages postés |
| Posté le 06-05-2007 à 11:22:00
| Merci Claude, et merci à Mr Block
J-P
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